More filth from Jenny Tonge.

From the Jewish Chronicle.

“The way Israel behaves is just not kosher. Jewish people should be totally ashamed of themselves that they are not doing more to stop them. It’s absolutely disgusting.” She claimed that the reason behind the weekend’s shootings in the West Bank was to “make provocations so Israel will have an excuse to go in again” and said that last month’s Channel 4 Dispatches programme on the “Israel lobby” may be the reason why Gordon Brown “isn’t doing something”.

Previous articles on Jenny Tonge : Here and Here.

28 Responses to “More filth from Jenny Tonge.”

  1. Brian Goldfarb Says:

    I especially liked this from the JC piece:

    ‘A spokesman at the embassy said: “Freedom of speech is a pillar of democracy. If all people in the Middle East could enjoy this and other components of democracy, progress towards peace would no doubt accelerate.” ‘

    On Jenny Tonge, enough said – or, rather, I’m sure others will have lots to say. But, Mira, do you know how official those reps of the Green Party were? If from the highest levels, how can you remain a member of the Party, even if they are nice to animals and keen of stopping global warming? Israel is part of the world envirenoment too.

  2. Bill Says:

    ” Jewish people should be totally ashamed of themselves that they are not doing more to stop them. ”

    Would this comment have been accepted if it were expressed towards Blacks, expecting them to condemn Mugabe, Amin, Seko and Taylor? She’d be condemned, rightfully, as a racist and would maybe stand a chance running for dog catcher as a member of the BNP. But once again, globalizing Zionism, i.e., marrying Jews (any Jew anywhere, to Israel and making them morally accountable for it, is “different” — and A-OK.

    We dare not call her an antisemite.

  3. Bialik Says:

    Happy new year to everyone in the Influential Zionist Lobby and well done for preventing Gordon Brown from doing Something over the past 12 months. Keep it up!

    Scary to think the LibDems could be in a coalition government after the next election.

  4. Karl Pfeifer Says:

    Tonge complains that the “bad” Jews are doing wrong only because the “good” Jews cover their doings up. What she is really doing is to declare again the collective guilt of the Jewish people.

    In a way it is very similar to the fascist agitators of the 30ies and 40ies.

  5. zkharya Says:

    I think that counts as incitement.

  6. Sarah B Says:

    Yes, I was reminded of the remarks made by Martin Amis suggesting that all Muslims should be held in suspicion because of Islamist terrorism.

  7. Karl Pfeifer Says:

    @Sarah B@ could you kindly inform us where and when did Martin Amis made those remarks.

  8. modernityblog Says:

    Isn’t this to be expected?

    Amongst those exhibiting prejudice or bigotry there is a tendency to return to it, time after time, to make lurid and rash comments when others would counsel reason and rationality?

    Dr. Tonge’s behaviour indicates that she is utterly insensitive to anti-Jewish racism and will indulge in it when she feels so inclined.

    In part I think it is the habitual need of these obsessives to carry on in such a way that highlights the darker side to their characters and gives them away.

    This is not the first, nor will it be the last occasion when Dr. Tonge reproaches Jews, expect more.

  9. Karl Pfeifer Says:

    Tonge is an antisemite, her reproach, Jews do not stop Israel to defend itself is irrational, but very much in the logic of antisemitism
    Adorno on antisemitism:
    “Anti-Semitism, however, does not exhaust itself in the old formula by which it is characterized in Lessing’s Nathan der Weise, »tut nichts, der Jude wird verbrannt« – the Jew is going to be burnt anyway, no matter how things are, or what could be said in his favor. Irrational and merciless wholesale condemnation is kept alive by the maintenance of a small number of highly stereotyped reproaches of the Jews which, while largely irrational themselves, give a mock semblance of justification to the death sentence. By constructing the nature of the Jew as unalterably bad, as innately corrupt, any possibility of change and reconciliation seems to be excluded. The more invariant the negative qualities of the Jew appear to be, the more they tend to leave open only one way of »solution«: the eradication of those who cannot improve. “

  10. Sarah B Says:

    @Karl – here is a reference taken from the Wikipedia article on Martin Amis. It is my understanding that Amis has since rather distanced himself from these remarks and this was one reason why I didn’t want to go into more detail earlier. They were widely reported at the time. “… in an informal interview in The Times Magazine. Amis was quoted as saying: “What can we do to raise the price of them doing this? There’s a definite urge – don’t you have it? – to say, ‘The Muslim community will have to suffer until it gets its house in order.’ What sort of suffering? Not letting them travel. Deportation – further down the road. Curtailing of freedoms. Strip-searching people who look like they’re from the Middle East or from Pakistan… Discriminatory stuff, until it hurts the whole community and they start getting tough with their children…It’s a huge dereliction on their part”.

  11. Absolute Observer Says:

    Karl,
    It was also Adorno who noted how the antisemites adopted Jewish words and concepts such as things being or not being “kosher”, etc.

  12. Primaverablog Says:

    Why should we not dare to call Tonge an anti-Semite? She stands in the street with a megaphone and says “Jewish people should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.” Seems clear enough to me.

    Jenny Tonge is an anti-Semite.

  13. Inna Says:

    Sarah B–

    I remember Amis’ remarks. If I recall there was widespread outrage about them (and if memory serves he didn’t blame Muslims as such–someone will correct me if I’m wrong). So here’s the obvious question: Jenny Tonge made remarks that were at least as provocative (at the time Amis made his remarks they were unabashedly called racist) and where is the outrage?

    Has Tonge been kicked out of her party for making these remarks? Had she made these remarks about any other people (e.g., Muslims) do you think she would have been?

    Regards,

    Inna

  14. Bill Says:

    @ Primavera & Karl

    If there was an HTML tag for {sarcasm}{/sarcasm} I’d have used it…

    We should always be mindful of using the a-s word since “some” people claim we use it like 80-s pop stars used coke and synthesizers, and the fastest way to create an antisemite is to call somebody one. But yeah, Tonge crossed that particular Rubicon long ago… Globalizing Zionism and imposing Israeli citizenship and the “expectations” that go with it on any Jew anywhere (talk about having your cake and eating it — you can’t have it both ways, Jen) is one of those red-line symptoms. She did it, she is one.

  15. Brian Goldfarb Says:

    And, while we’re on the topic, what the hell does she know about something or someone being “kosher”? Let alone the reasons for there being such a thing as items of food being “kosher” or otherwise. But then, what can one expect from someone with her track record, except more of the same until she so oversteps the boundary that she breaks the law, not just the moral code.

    She may not be able to be deselected as a peer, but she sure can be ejected from the Libeeral Democrat Party.

    But she won’t be.

  16. Karl Pfeifer Says:

    @Sarah B@ Wikipedia is open to manipulation and therefore not the best source. But lets assume, that he said, what you quoted, there was an uproar. How comes there is no uproar, when Mrs. Tonge is making Jews who are not Israelis responsible for Israeli policy?
    I call Mrs Tonge a shameless antisemite. And the party she belongs to is not taking any steps against her, is tolerating antisemitism.
    And yes antisemites like to ape Jews, so the expression kosher is in this context also a sign for antisemitism.

  17. The Safe Racism « Primavera Says:

    […] regarding last Sunday’s outrage by British racist Jenny Tonge, commenter Inna at Engage makes a telling point. Several years ago Martin Amis spoke of an “urge” to hold all Muslims responsible for […]

  18. Primavera Says:

    Bill – I understand.

    Inna – you make an excellent point. (And I’ve put up a post about it.)

    It might be possible to raise attention-levels to this that might make things uncomfortable for Tonge. I think it’s worth trying. Of course, she will then speak of “well-coordinated” attacks by secret powerful networks etc but predicting that response can part of the campaign.

    Any views on this? What’s the best way to rally people online and raise the profile of something like this?

  19. FrankAdam Says:

    The pity is that J.Tonge PhD (piled higher and deeper) is a microboplogist or bio-chemist both disciplines which Chaim Weizmann had a lot to do with putting into the academic canon. Our Chaim when taxed with the distinction between anti-Zionists and Antisemites quipped back, “Antisemites do not like Jews anywhere, and in the particular case of anti-Zionists, do not like Jews in Palestine.” Quite correct too. If you transport all the foxes from England to Ireland what will the English gentry do for sport?

  20. Sarah B Says:

    @ Inna – I think Amis’ remarks (assuming they are an accurate record) seem more extreme than Tonge’s. But his comments were off the cuff, I understand, whereas Tonge has made a number of similarly unpleasant remarks over the years. Also there is a difference between being a member of a mainstream party and a member of the House of Lords, on the one hand, and, on the other, being a novelist. In the case of Masuku (speaker invited by the UCU) I have certainly felt, personally,that his anti-semitic remarks were being brushed aside or skirted round in a way which would not I think have happened with some other group or race. Similarly you may well be right when you imply that JT has been given an easier ride than if she had targetted another group.

    • Inna Says:

      The actual remarks:

      The author Martin Amis has claimed he feels ‘morally superior’ to Muslim states which are not as ‘evolved’ as the Western world.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488239/Martin-Amis-launches-fresh-attack-Muslim-faith-saying-Islamic-states-evolved.html

      Amis is not talking about people of Muslim faith but about Muslim states. That was what the controversy was about. There was a great deal of outrage at those remarks, from (if memory serves) Tonge among others.

      Tonge has made incendiary remarks about the Jewish People and the silence has been deafening.

      Regards,

      Inna

      • Richard Gold Says:

        Inna , that wasn’t what Amis took the stick for. It was for a previous comment. I’ll try and find it but it was an attack on Muslims after 9/11.

        • Inna Says:

          Maybe. I remember the whole outrage about it (in which I participated a bit) over at Harry’s Place. But I didn’t discover HP till .. oh 2002 or 2003 so it’s entirely possible that I am totally missing something.

          Regards,

          Inna

  21. Zkharya Says:

    I think Sarah’s point is very valid. But Amis wasn’t speaking to mass rallies, and he wasn’t telling Anglo- or other Muslims than it was wrong to sympathise with Palestinian Muslims or Christians, let alone that it was “shameful”.

  22. Brian Goldfarb Says:

    Didn’t Amis make comments of this order in his book of essays “The 22nd Bomber”? Apologies for the lack of a full citation, but I borrowed the book from the local library and it has long gone back there.

  23. Sarah B Says:

    @zkharya – I agree with your points. It’s people like JT that mean that, however unenthusiastic I am about the Labour party, and particularly their policies on HE, I can’t envisage voting Lib Dem.

  24. Richard Gold Says:

    Here’s what Martin Amis said :

    http://www.ginnydougary.co.uk/2006/09/17/the-voice-of-experience/

    “What can we do to raise the price of them doing this? There’s a definite urge – don’t you have it? – to say, ‘The Muslim community will have to suffer until it gets its house in order.’ What sort of suff er ing? Not letting them travel. Deportation – further down the road. Curtailing of freedoms. Strip-searching people who look like they’re from the Middle East or from Pakistan… Discriminatory stuff, until it hurts the whole community and they start getting tough with their children. They hate us for letting our children have sex and take drugs – well, they’ve got to stop their children killing people. It’s a huge dereliction on their part. I suppose they justify it on the grounds that they have suffered from state terrorism in the past, but I don’t think that’s wholly irrational. It’s their own past they’re pissed off about; their great decline. It’s also masculinity, isn’t it?”

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