‘Simply Jews’ call the Brits to action

“…British Jews currently have no viable leadership to combat manifestations of modern antisemitism. Their lot has been thrown in with Israel and Zionism whether they subscribe to Israel’s defense or not. The community’s lack of action against institutionalized racism in Britain has led to a situation whereby any self defense measure is immediately related to actions taken by an all powerful lobby, or a tacit pro-Israel stance. Complaining about racism for a British Jew, whether pro-Israel or not has now become impossible, and is invalidated by default as a de-facto misuse of the antisemitism “trope” to blacken tarnish the racist offender.”

“Until Jewish organizations make a pragmatic choice to battle this type of reversed logic racism, we will continue to witness  Jews losing their legal and human rights as their voices are drowned by loud racist waves of legitimized Antisemitism.”

“We therefore call on British Jews to step up in their own defense, waken the established Jewish organizations into action and reestablish Antisemitism as racism.”

The whole piece is here, on Simply Jews.

22 Responses to “‘Simply Jews’ call the Brits to action”

  1. Bialik Says:

    Waken the established Jewish organisations? Waken the established anti-racism organisations, surely?

  2. Dave Rich Says:

    I’m sorry, but this article is absolute rubbish, completely ignorant and actually very annoying.

    It is simply not true that UK Jewish organisations were not alive to the danger, or didn’t try to address it. And yes, I write that as someone who works for one of those organisations.

  3. Gideon Swort Says:

    @Dave Rich.

    “I’m sorry”

    Your community will judge whether your apology is accepted. Is this your default opening to arguing your case?

    “but this article is absolute rubbish, completely ignorant and actually very annoying.”

    Annoying is good, it was intended to annoy “someone who works for one of those organizations” into action.

    “It is simply not true that UK Jewish organisations were not alive to the danger”

    Alive to the danger you say, so what did you do? run for cover or rally the community for a fight?

    “or didn’t try to address it.”

    Try is a loser’s word. What have your efforts amounted to then? Have you anything to show? A legal case? Legislatative work? Where were you when Ronnie Fraser was abused and trodden-on at the UCU? Has your organization backed (in any real pragmatic sense of the word that is), any of those members of the UCU subjected to Antisemitism?

    “And yes, I write that as someone who works for one of those organisations.”

    That sounds just like another take on AsaJoo.

    Now Dave Rich, go and do something other than being “alive to the danger”, such as rallying Jewish Organizations into a coherent body that’ll proactively fight Antisemites at the appropriate venues. I have read articles you’ve written, I know your capabilities and worth. Show us the money Dave, as in – walk your talk.

  4. Dave Rich Says:

    Gideon

    My point was that you don’t have a clue what you are talking about. Insulting me directly doesn’t change my opinion of that.

  5. Gideon Swort Says:

    Right you are Dave. You have the sole right to insult others without an attempt an an explanation. Let’s recap – “absolute rubbish, completely ignorant”

    Now let’s get to the facts, so, put me right. Answer the above questions, and stop pouting indignantly. What actions have you to show?

    Otherwise – on yer trike.

  6. Dave Rich Says:

    Gideon

    Is the idea that I spend the next few hours listing everything I have done on this issue over the past few years, just to satisfy the demand of some random blogger I’ve never met?

    It’s a shame, because generally speaking I like your blog. But it’s very easy when something goes wrong to write an “outraged of wherever” piece slinging mud at everyone on your side for not doing x or y or z that you think would have changed things. As if, until you wrote your post, nobody in any of the UK Jewish organisations had realised there was a problem worth dealing with.

  7. Dave Rich Says:

    I mean, you have no idea what the various UK Jewish organisations have or haven’t done on this issue in the past five years. You have no idea if they have done hundreds of things, or none at all. You have no idea if they have spent thousands of pounds, or tens of thousands of pounds, or none at all. You just assume, because there was a defeat, that nothing was done, and if only something had been done then the outcome would have been different. That’s why I called your article ignorant.

  8. SnoopyTheGoon Says:

    “As if, until you wrote your post, nobody in any of the UK Jewish organisations had realised there was a problem worth dealing with.”

    The humble request, Dave, was to show us the money. Not to tell us in five sentences (your next comment) that we don’t have an idea.

    So far all you have shown is righteous indignation. Sorry, it doesn’t work.

  9. Gideon Swort Says:

    “just to satisfy the demand of some random blogger I’ve never met?”

    Don’t bother satisfying me. Satisfy your community. David Hirsh will receive my contact details if you wish to take this argument into the practical world.

    “As if, until you wrote your post, nobody in any of the UK Jewish organisations had realised there was a problem worth dealing with.”

    Good to hear there’s realization in there somewhere and that you think there’s worthy cause.

    “But it’s very easy when something goes wrong to write an “outraged of wherever” piece slinging mud at everyone on your side…”

    Our call for action isn’t about “something going wrong”, or even one defeat, just as it’s not about mudslinging either. See it as a statement relating to effectivity, impact and results. You may also note deep frustration and disappointment. You may see it as feelings of deep compassion for those who’ve stood up to the torrent of racism. You may also see it as a call for Jewish Organizations to cooperate, regroup, reassess and Fight.

    “I mean, you have no idea what the various UK Jewish organisations have or haven’t done on this issue in the past five years. You have no idea if they have done hundreds of things, or none at all. You have no idea if they have spent thousands of pounds, or tens of thousands of pounds, or none at all.”

    The same argument can be turned around against you, within your words. For example, if you have done something, why is it not in the public domain? Why are we not hearing of your efforts? Engage has been publishing all materials relevant to the subject of discourse around Antisemitism for years. If you’ve spent tens of thousands of pounds and have nothing to show for it over the past five years, then you need to rethink your approach, and so forth… Anyways, why would your organization be so coy?

    Lastly, and more importantly you have absofuckinglutely no idea about what I know, so keep your patronizing “ignorant” labels to yourself. I’d rather be on your side cheering and contributing to your efforts, than taking you apart. So, recruit me rather than play word games that roll around “you don’t know what you don’t know”.

  10. Dave Rich Says:

    What I know, is that when you write:

    While Engage has been the main contact point with the UCU as far as stripping and predicting this unions intentions and actions, combating the antisemitic union’s leadership with debate, logic and facts, British Jewish organizations have either remained shtum, or copy/pasted Hirsh’s arguments, work and formulations into whiney letters and apologetic appeals to the union.

    You wrote something that is not true, and in quite an insulting tone, which is where we came in. And It’s a bit late to say ‘tell me what you’ve done’ after you’ve already written your post concluding that nothing was done.

  11. absolute Observer Says:

    absolute Observer Says:
    June 6, 2011 at 3:37 pm
    Defeat? disagreement amongst allies? Questions of what to do next?

    Shame you guys aren’t members of IJV or JJfP
    If you were, you could have just blamed “The Israel Lobby” and left it at that.

    AO

  12. SnoopyTheGoon Says:

    “Defeat? disagreement amongst allies? Questions of what to do next?”

    Makes you happy, AO?

  13. Gideon Swort Says:

    “You wrote something that is not true, and in quite an insulting tone, which is where we came in. And It’s a bit late to say ‘tell me what you’ve done’ after you’ve already written your post concluding that nothing was done.”

    So, more indignant pouting, and petty posturing, while confirming the very paragraph you quoted.

    I’ll take note of AO’s callous “not in front of the children” proposition and DisEngage, lest I provide you with further opportunity to represent your Organization with the distinction, it rightly deserves.
    Be well and prosper, Dave Rich.

    @AO
    “IJV or JJfP”
    That’s below the belt. Gloves are off!

  14. absolute Observer Says:

    Snoopy.
    Not at all!! Far from it.

    The point underlying my comment was that these are difficult times with difficult questions to be asked and answered and that unlike JJfP. JVP, UCU, and a host of others, we do not have the option of the balm of a conspiracy myth to fall back on to explain and understand precisely what is in urgent need of explanation and understanding.

    I hope this clarifies what I meant.

    AO

  15. absolute Observer Says:

    Hi Gideon,
    I think I need to clarify what I meant and quickly!

    As I have just said, my point was precisely to distinguish you, Dave Rich and Snoopy from the conspiracy peddlers of IJV and JJfP

    My point was that the questions being asked in the wake of the attack on Jewish members by UCU are serious and important questions, as is the issue of what to do next.

    It is precisely these questions that IJV, JJfP, etc refuse and cannot answer because of their belief in an omnipotent “Lobby” that the delusional think is responsible for all strategies and outcomes.

    Apologies without reservation if I was misunderstood and apologies to for my original levity.

    AO

  16. Gideon Swort Says:

    @AO,

    I’m not prone to using😉 but treat my above comment to you as though it had one of these with a twitchy wink at the end.

    In the Levant, at the Elder’s HQ, where the council of the decrepit alter kakers convene, the acronyms you referred to, when spoken out loud will induce involuntary fits of uncontrollable laughter. Use them sparingly in our presence, we already have SO much to laugh about that any addition can be fatal.

  17. absolute Observer Says:

    GS
    Point taken.
    AO

  18. Maurice Says:

    On a different note, I am dismayed that the phrase which forms the hyperlink above “to blacken the racist offender” is used without irony. The essay “The Livingsone Formulation” to which it links argues cogently that anti semitism and other forms of racism have an objective reality and allegations of the same cannot be dismissed by reference to a subjective reality i.e. whether or not the alleged perpetrator feels himself/herself to be an active anti-semite. It follows that the use of this expression is racist (negrophobic) independent of whether its user is consciously, deliberately or intentionally anti-Black

  19. Mira Vogel Says:

    Late coming to this. I didn’t go to the recent Israel advocacy conference http://www.webelieveinisrael.org/. A friend of mine did, though. He said that the issue of antisemitism was pretty marginal there. In his assessment, it’s become too difficult to discuss – ‘no traction’ as they say. In this respect (if indeed it’s the case) I can identify with Gideon’s frustration.

    My understanding from reading the CST blog (an important and empowering resource, for me) is that feverish anti-Israel activism antisemiticly expressed is one of the threats the it perceives the Jewish community faces. The CST also has the English Defence League, a centrally anti-Muslim movement, to contend with. The EDL are already playing on Jewish fears, making a bid for Jewish support, and the CST also has an ongoing fight on that front, against the forces which ramp up the kind of mutual hatreds that feed off each other. I tend to worry ahead, but to me, given the latest Financial Times special assessing the economic outlook, this land is ripe for schism. That’s a complication. I guess people like Dave Rich are on the front line. I don’t see him pouting or posturing – looks like exasperation to me. The CST, who I haven’t noticed regard themselves as leaders per se, could do with support.

  20. Gideon Swort Says:

    @ Maurice

    Noted and corrected. Let us know if you find tacit unintentional racist undertones to the word Tarnish.

  21. Absolute Observer Says:

    “@ Maurice

    Noted and corrected. Let us know if you find tacit unintentional racist undertones to the word Tarnish.”

    Surely the normal response to such concerns is,

    “Maurice you are a liar.
    Maurice you are really rasing the issue of “racism” to silence debate.
    Maurice, as you really know, it is impossible to be “racist” when dealing with Israel and Palestine.
    Maurice, this is a typical case of a smear campaign.
    It will not work.
    We will not be intimitated.”

    (Needless to say, I think Maurice are none of these things and that he raised the issue for perfectly legitimate reasons and was responded to in the right manner).

    • Maurice Says:

      I raised the issue because my Blackness and my Jewishness are indivisible and therefore my struggle against either Negrophobia(clumsy, I know) or anti-semitism must, or I would like it to be, indivisible. Which is not to say that I propose that all forms or instances of racism operate in the same way.


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